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Sandy Way no. 23, The Oldest Fish and Chip Shop in the World

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Sandy Way no. 23, The Oldest Fish and Chip Shop in the World
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October 2003 Sandy Way, showing number 23 and shop front boasting 'The Oldest Fish and Chip Shop in the World'. Sandy Way is situated at the bottom of the steep.

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S.W.KILBURN

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As a small boy in the 30's I went with my father to clean fish and make chips when the shop was owned by "WaltClapham"and his family

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michael mcguinness

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I first used this fish shop in the very early 50s when I used to go fishing in the tarn. We still use it now when we (my wife and my self) go to the tarn, only now I use a electric scooter. We have many fond mememories of the tarn, I took all my children there when I was fishing.

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Graham A. Schofield

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'THE OLDEST FISH & CHIP SHOP IN THE WORLD' - - - Great claim, but what evidence is there? What is its history?

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Peter Moore

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To add to Grahams comments if you go to the following website you can read all about this fish shop. http://www.yorksview.co.uk/

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13-Jan-2009

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Peter Roberts

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Interesting... Graham has rightly questioned this claim, I don't reckon much to the explanation (or lack of it) on the yorkview website Peter Moore suggests. Nottingham also has a claim for the oldest on http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2009/03/31/ruddington_village_museum_fish_and_chips_feature.shtml I wonder how many more County's have the same claim. Peter Moore... Thanks for putting me on to the yorkview trivia webbsite it looks very interesting I think I shall be spending some time perusing the stories on here.

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02-Dec-2009

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B Hallam

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I'm with Mr Schofield on this. Were it an actual claim of such provinence, where is its English Heritage plaque? But of course, it isn't. One can call one's Fish & Chip Shop just about anything.

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02-Dec-2009

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Graham A. Schofield

Comment:
As Mr. B. Hallam implies, this claim should be regarded as spurious until documented provenance comes forward. Recorded history broadens our understanding on this subject. It seems that 'Fried Fish' was introduced into Europe by Jewish immigrants in Mediaeval Times. The humble 'Chip' seems to be of Flemish origin, way back in the 1680's. It appears that when fish wasn't readily available, housewives would cut up potatoes to resemble small fish and then deep-fry them. Even the French concede to this. Mon Dieu!!! It must be true. Remember also that the potato originated in America, and it didn't appear in Europe until the 16th century. In a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in the late 18th century, he states that he ate Fried Fish done in the 'Jewish Style' in London. In Charles Dickens' second novel - 'The Parish Boy's Progress' (1838), more commonly known as 'Oliver Twist', there is talk of a 'Fried Fish Warehouse'. A little later, in perhaps, 1860, a Jewish gentleman started selling 'Fried Fish & Chips' from a shop in Cleveland Street, in the East End of London. Not long after that, a John Lees started selling 'Fish & Chips' from a stall on the market in Mossley, nr. Oldham. Later on, after he had moved to more permanent premises, he claimed that his was the first Fish & Chip Shop in the world. It may be noted that there is a 'Blue Plaque' in that area claiming that he was the first to sell such there. There seems to be a conflict of evidence as to who was the first - Joseph Malin or John Lees. I would think, Joseph Malin, as most things seem to originate in the capital and then spread north; and in those days, the time-frame would have been much longer than it is today. If the premises in this picture can show that they were in existence as a shop, prior to 1860, the claim displayed here, might be in with a chance.

Date:
04-Dec-2009

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GrahamScho@AOL.com

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Brenda Scott nee Johnson

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Oh good heavens! It's an old building, looks around 1820's - 1830's, and if it has always been a shop of sorts, then perhaps 'The Oldest Fish and Chip Shop in the World' merely means it is a fish and chip shop in the oldest building to ever house such. Far more to the point - are the fish and chips sold there any good???

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13-Jan-2013

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Phil Walker

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In my younger days in the fifties and sixties, this shop was still owned by the Clapham family. They made no claim to fame in those days. They just got on with the business of selling Fish and chips and they were good at it. My advice is, Just eat the fish and let the nerds pick the bones out of the rest.

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02-Jun-2013

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Graham A. Schofield

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For those who might be unaware of the meaning. NERD:- Is a derogatory term for a person who is intellectually knowledgeable, or bright, but is socially inept. Another meaning describes a NERD as an inept, foolish, or unattractive person.

Date:
18-Nov-2013

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GrahamScho@AOL.com

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Roy Walker

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I don't 'arf fancy some "Fish'n'Nerks" Now !

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18-Feb-2015

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Alan Rogan

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This place has been recently purchased by a Rogue Builder using money he has cheated me and my wife out of. However the Fish and Chips might be good?

Date:
21-Oct-2015

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alanr@thespiritof.co.uk

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Graham A. Schofield

Comment:
Picking up on Roy Walker's comment. It's a long time since I heard the expression, "Fish 'n' Erks". As kids, in the area in which I was brought up (Beeston), we too would use the same, when referring to 'fish and chips'. Could its use by Roy, indicate that the wording was more universally understood than I had previously thought it to be.

Date:
25-Oct-2015

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GrahamScho@AOL.com

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Roy Walker

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Re;-Grahams's Comment...."Cud be Graham,I gorrit from me Dad,ooh werr 'Unslit Born'n'Bred"-(sic).- P.S., I've also heard them referred to locally, as "Fish'n'Derks".-Nowadays I live at Fleetwood,on the Fylde Coast,and there's fish everywhere !!

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27-Apr-2016

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C Lovedale

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This building is no longer a fish & chip shop, it has been converted into offices, perhaps now ending the debate as to whether it was the oldest F&C shop in the world !

Date:
05-Dec-2017

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Graham A. Schofield

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Eee by gum, Roy. If thi sez."Fish and Erks' reet fast like, it sounds like, "Fish 'n' Derks". It's the way thah sez it, thah seez. Dust thah know Roy, wiv never sin a fishin' boat i' Fleetwood. Mehbi it's 'coz wi only go there on Sundyz like, fer t'jazz-sessions at North Euston Hotel.- - - ( Hast tha notist 'av spelt 'otel wi' a big 'H'? Well, its olluss on a Sunday when wi go, so y'av to speak posh on a Sunday like. Espeshly when wi'rr all wearin' us best suits an' ties an'all. Ov course wi ollus tek us clogs off afore wi guz in. After orl, it is on a Sunday when wi go, an' thaz gorra bi smart on a Sundsay.) - - - Wi allus tek shanks'iz pony up from Blackpool when wi goz to Fleetwood. It teks us over three hours. Ollus get 'bus back tho'. It might be Knackers Yard fer us, if wi legged it all way back. Sithi. 'next time wi there wi'll orda 'Fish 'n Erks' fer lunch. If wi get enni, it'll prove two things. (1) - That tha can get fish i' Fleetwood. (2) - That thay can understand proper english in forrin parts like Lancasheer.

Date:
07-Mar-2018

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GrahamScho@AOL.com

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Roy Walker

Comment:
Brilliant Graham, absolutely Brilliant !-Also remember, we have trams over here nowadays ! -And a great Fish shop, -"Pisces".Best Wishes, Roy.

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30-Apr-2018

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