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Belle Isle Road, looking south

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Belle Isle Road, looking south
Description:
1950s. View looking south along Belle Isle Road towards the junction with Town Street, in the distance on the right. Tramlines run through the centre of the road, where a tram is seen travelling towards Leeds. Two horses and traps can be seen further up, one just turning into Belle Isle Road from Town Street. Houses on the far side of the road are numbered in ascending order from 299 on the left. On the near side, off the picture beyond the row of posts, is the site of the Grey Goose public house but it is unclear whether or not it has been built yet. The future site of The Grey Goose is still vacant, and not built on, as shown on an OS map dated 1951, but the pub is marked on the map for the year 1959. The turning off at the top end of this is Aberfield Gate. The man in the picture is Mr. Round of nearby Aberfield Gardens.

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Name:
Graham A. Schofield

Comment:
With the help of a colleague, tram aficionado, David Johnson, we have narrowed the time-frame somewhat, with regard to the date. A few clues have arisen due to the fact that there is a tramcar in the picture. (A) - I am told that it is one of the 83 Feltham Tramcars that entered service in Leeds from the late 1950's and onwards. (B) - The Belle Isle route closed on Saturday the 28th of March 1959. So, this picture must have been taken after 1955 and before the end of March 1959. I have to say that it's nice to see a road without a car in sight.

Date:
06-Nov-2012

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GrahamScho@AOL.com

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Name:
Michael White

Comment:
According to the Part 1 Licensing Register most of the pubs in leeds were well established by the turn of the century with very few new pubs until there was a little flurry in the 30's, only one or two in the 40s and then a bit more of a burst in the 50's. The 50's built ones are all at the end of the register and normally come with a whole load of notes ["horse-trading" of licenses was common in order to get new builds ie, close two or three other pubs to get one new license, like the Sandford Arms]. The Grey Goose is listed here but the premises page in the register doesn't come with many notes and only has two entries on it. The first is the provisional grant of License to Mr. Harry Lees. The second is the transfer to Fred Thackray on 17th May 1957. Harry Lees is described as the "Manager" and Thackray as "Tenant". Harry Lees also appears as Manager of the Gate Hotel, Kentmere Avenue, Seacroft, for its initial grant of License so he was probably the Area Manager [or some such post, so not an actual "hands on" manager - this was very common for new builds]. One thing that the Licensing Register normally shows is who the company was who were having the premises built / licensed etc, etc. The page for the Goose and the Gate don't show this. I think these were Whitbreads pubs - which would explain the lack of "Horse trading" as they didn't have a very big presence in Leeds so weren't really at the mercy of the potty Licensing Justices. Also missing from the page is the note giving the date of the provisional grant of the license [to Mr Lees]. The provisional grant is generally applied for prior to the start of any building work and at the same time as any planing permissions to build - they wouldn't want to go to the expense of building a place to find they couldn't get a license. so the build date still remains a mystery. The date of the first transfer, though, is a bit of a giveaway. The transfer of license to a tennant generally indicates the opening for business of a premises [to within a week or so either way] so, I think, with some certainty, that the place was open and trading in May 1957. So we can say it opened around May 1957.

Date:
03-Dec-2012

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Eliza Roseward

Comment:
My brother-in-law says that the Grey Goose was not there when he left Belle Isle in 1959. Any increase on that?

Date:
19-Dec-2012

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Peter jackson

Comment:
Yes he's wrong

Date:
22-Dec-2012

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petermj67@hotmail.co.uk

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Name:
C.J.Davis

Comment:
The Goose was a Tetley's pub for years. Did they build it or was it one inherited with their takeover of Melbourne?

Date:
06-Jan-2013

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Tracy

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The Gate was a Melbourne inns pub

Date:
25-Mar-2014

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